Karin Friedemann: Whither After the Goldstone Report?
A pro-Hamas supporter comments on the Goldstone Report reflects condemnation from that side of the divide.
But Miss Friedemann goes one step further and seems to advocate for the view that all Israelis are considered to be fair targets for terror actions. It's a sad commentary on how violent Palestine's supporters have become.
Well, that's what I have to say.
Stephen M. Flatow
Sunday, October 25, 2009
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I commented on this post at Ethnic Ashkenazim Against Zionist Israel: Terror Victims' Voice - For those who cannot speak for themselves.: Karin Friedemann: Whither After the Goldstone Report?.
Mr. Martillo,
I was curious to understand you and to follow your thinking.. Understand that Israel is a 'nation-state' and for your website to proclaim its mission of providing Jews and non-Jews with the intellectual tools to stand up to Zionist intimidation and manipulation, sadly suggests that perhaps you don't understand the true nature of the State of Israel.It seems to be true, as set forth in the 1990's what political scientist Samuel P. Huntington articulated, that people's cultural and religious identities would be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world. Yet if you understand anything about Israel at all you would understand that Israel above most nation-states believes in multiculturalism as an official policy establishing the ideal of peaceful existence among multiple ethnic, cultural, and linguistic groups. Israel indeed has laws protecting minority rights.
Perhaps you might rethink that line..."that Zionism is a completely evil ideology akin to German Nazism"..it's just not so.
Dear Mieskeit,
The blog entry Why is this Nationalism ... ? points to an article in which Michael Neumann debunks all your ideas completely.
You need to learn something about Jewish historical political economics. You can find my introduction here.
Mr. Martillo, unlike other bloggers, I have set the blog to accept all comments. What I expect in return is that postings be civil in nature and not be derogatory of other posters.
I think you crossed over the line in your latest post and believe you owe Shana Maydel an apology.
Thanks.
Mr. Flatow,
How is what Mr. Martillo wrote derogatory of Maydel? If anything, it is far more civil than anything she has written in a while. She frequently stoops to hurling insults at those she disagrees with, including myself.
Disagreement does not equal insult, Mr. Flatow. If you want to participate in the politics of civil society, you had best learn to understand that.
Dear Expat, I think you know very well what it means to call someone "meiskeit." I object to it.
SMF
Mr. Flatow,
First of all, I don't speak Yiddish beyond terms that have been completely incorporated into English, such as mensch. Having looked up what the word means, I would point out that it is a play on her psuedonym of "pretty girl." It is also far less insulting than some of the terms she throws around regularly.
Ok Gentleman
I hope that we can "agree to disagree" in a civilized fashion. Now you know that I would check out Neumannn, right?? Michael Neumann...63 years old, son of the eminent political sociologist of Nazism, Franz Leopold Neumann...enough said there. Author of The Case Against Israel; enough said there. We each have a right to hold our own opinions as we can always find others to back those opinions up. I guess that's the nature of the blog, get it Ex-man?
Mieskeit can refer to intellectual ugliness as well as to physical ugliness.
Zionism, which amounts to the belief that Jews have the right to plunder and to kill non-Jews with impunity, is an extremely ugly idea.
I share this point of view with Rav Elkhonon Wasserman, whose text on the Talmud, I used in Yeshiva.
Zionism is ethnic Ashkenazi Nazism (Zionism, Nazism, Fascism for Dummies).
When I was a student at Harvard College, I wrote a long paper identifying the origins of Hitler's ideas in Mein Kampf and in his table talk.
Much of Hitler's thought almost certainly came from Max Nordau, who was one of the primary Zionist thinkers.
I will agree that everyone has the right to their own opinions, but because German Nazis and Zionists act on their ideas, they are beyond the pale of tolerance.
If Stephen tells me that he would not consider a German Nazi a mieskeit, I will retract my comment.
There is a secondary issue, which I suspect Stephen and SM are too young to understand.
Sheyn in pre-WW2 Yiddish has class connotations as well as physical beauty meanings. A sheyne meidl can contrast with a proste meidl, and to use this terminology with regard to oneself is prideful and obnoxious in several different ways because among other things it is implicitly a claim to be better than other people.
I often react badly when I see or hear it even though modern American Jews generally do not know what they are saying. For this reaction, I do apologize.
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